Monday, November 16, 2009

Why not just Ask Canada and the Central American nations to Join the United States .?

Every state flies its flag beneath that of our nations flag . Since we are much stronger as a collective nation then individual States and since we seem to have added States in the past why not Bring Mexico and Canada under our Flag and become a United States that is growing .


Think of the possibilities if we include these areas. Canada has huge forests and oil reserves and gold and silver .


Mexico has huge untapped oil fields and hard working people of faith and the Blue agave plant .


I would consider adding these country's a great plus for all of us .


If we are not a nation that is growing and expanding then we are complacent stagnant and living off the assets we have accumulated to date .


This is turn our nation into a service culture . Creating two classes . The rich and the poor .


As one of the Middle class workers we need projects like an expansion into Mexico to continue our way of life . Not the other way around where Mexicans come here to improve their lives .

Why not just Ask Canada and the Central American nations to Join the United States .?
What a foolish thing to say. Firstly the cheap "illegal" immigration is why the American middle class is dying out.





They don't demand the same pay as the middle class of Americans





Who do you think the companies want to hire? you? someone who demands a decent wage, plus health care, and a 401K ...OR our Mexican friends who just want a couple bucks per hour?





Start thinking. Do you have any pride in your country? Long live America!





But with people like you around it is sure to die a long and painful death.





Good luck and God bless.
Reply:Remember the song? Cherokee people Cherokee tribe, they took away our native language the tomahawk and the carving knife, they put us all in a reservation, the whole Cherokee nation...
Reply:Of course, that's not very easy.


It's not like it was in the 19th century, where we were annexing land that was largely unclaimed (in the traditional nation-state sense). Canada and Mexico have cultures, governments, people with VERY different ideas about how society should be run. It would be a clash of civilizations and would require the US to give up much of its sovereignty on many issues.


Plus, the country would be so big and unwieldy there'd be no way you could have a central government -- it would just have to be more like the EU -- a group of affiliated nations engged in agreements for trade. And the US is way too stubborn for that (plus, that arrangement would probably be a negative economically for the US, since we'd be the strongest enonomic power bolstering relatively smaller economies).





But yeah, the natural resources would be cool... especially the Blue Agave. If the US continues its fossil fuel consumption, we may face that possibility in 50 years or so, but right now, too impracticable.





Interesting visionary ideas, though.
Reply:You're describing, of course, what you believe the plan actually is.
Reply:they are trying that...





do a google search on the "North American Union"
Reply:I don't think that it's a good idea at all.


However if the U S were to join Canada and become a third territory that would not be as bad.


Just think, oil, (Canada sells more oil to the U S than any other country) health care, a multi-party political system, more guns per person than the US (it's just that we don't run around killing people) lots of fresh water lots of lumber, and most of all a better education system, and 30 plus million polite people.





And besides we're bigger and on top - if this were a prison you'd be our B****.
Reply:I don't want to share my country with a pansie country (Canada) and a 3rd world country (Mexico).
Reply:Bush thought of that in 2000 = Canadian Jew David Frum was his speech writer. Alberto Gonzales (son of illegals) was his adviser......
Reply:Uhh,





Because in case you haven't noticed, America is going down the tubes?





Are we the ones being attacked by terrorists?





No...





Are we five trillion dollars in debt?





No...





Do we have an awful international reputation for pissing everyone else off?





No...





Do we have dumb, dumb leaders that just go around provoking and bullying other nations?





No...





Are we known for having a history based on racism, slavery and slaughtering Natives by the thousands?





No...





Do we always botch up our war efforts, and bomb friendly soldiers (oooh "accidents")?





No...





Do we produce 20% of the world's emissions?





No...





Do we have to be provoked to enter a major conflict? (In world war 1 and 2, America had to be attacked before it started fighting for whats right)





No...





Do we try and invade people, then pussy foot around and run away when the going gets tough?





No...





Did we massacre a million civilians in the Philippine islands?





No...











Uh-huh. What you're proposing is "manifest destiny", some Americans believe it is their god-given right to own the entire continent.





Canadians would not like to have their reputation soiled by joining with the American dogs. Take it by force?





Hmm you've tried....





Oooh it looks like you've sent a total of eight invasion forces over the past two centuries. HMM, ALL BEATEN BY THE BRITISH. They'll come and save us again lol
Reply:Canada's got their stuff together better than we do at the moment.
Reply:I've always thought it would be great to add a few new states. However, I'm not sure adding them randomly would be healthy. There's something valuable about the American system that many outside, including Canadians, don't seem to appreciate. The idea of individual liberty and responsibility seems to be a uniquely American concept. Plus, adding dozens of new states all at once would be destabilizing. I propose inviting the Virgin Islands to join as a state, and offering the same proposition to the Bahamas (although i'm sure they'd turn us down...too attached to the British monarchy). Puerto Rico has already voted the idea down, so we can't go there.





Adding a new state voluntarily would be a valuable exercise, because it would allow us to revisit what it means to be a state and how they would maintain a separate identity while still adopting a specific Constitutional structure. I think we'd all learn a little. But let's do one small state at a time.
Reply:The American people don't want that, the Canadian people don't want that, the Mexican people don't want that and other "central-American" countries don't want that.





Why can't we just have bi-lateral trade with these countries for the mutual benefit of each?





The American economy would be crushed if we took on Central America as a 51st state. Our entitlements of social security, welfare, Medicare, etc. have already built up a bill of $40 TRILLION dollars. This is money that we don't have. We can't pay for it!


Also think of the kind of Police State that would be required to enforce the law, especially in regards to Mexico’s drug problem.





If they print more money without raising interest rates, inflation goes out of control. People will need to carry around a back-pack full of cash just to buy a loaf of bread.





If we raise interest rates along with the printing of extra money, then it could push our volatile economy into a depression.





The Neo-Cons are already working on the destruction of American sovereignty by creating a North American Union, similar to the E.U. (a single currency and the governments of individual nations have to submit to the will of the North American Union Government). That means that the government that you vote into power has no power because they have to submit to the will of the higher power. The little-guy gets screwed again.





Mexico, the US, and Canada have different cultures, different politics, different forms of government, different values and different ideas of Unalienable Rights. It is a very, very bad idea to try to force these three different Nations to become one.
Reply:So... you don't support their freedom to be separate nations from us?





Not everyone believes what we believe.
Reply:Sounds a tad bit Imperialistic to me.
Reply:What do you think the ultimate goal is. This is what certain people are striving for. Panamerica.


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